These datasets only picking up 'C5 w/any null' or you pulling 'C5a w/null 1-2-3' 'C5b w/null 1' etc?

Caldera, the K162s are relavant too, no?

~40% seems surprisingly high.

K162 are not generic. K162 is the wormhole endpoint

Now you don't have to be completely ignorant - although I hear it is rather blissful.

The nerf has destroyed C5/C6 space for those that like to roam nulls. Its great for Krabs though.

Holy mother of non issues batman!

Even if you had to scan out to HS every time and head to the nearest NS from there, it would STILL be easy to get to NS from any WH class.

On the other hand, if you miss NS so much, maybe it's time to move there? (Or at least Thera which is actually exactly what you want.)

The sense of entitlement from large WH groups is nauseating.
Need to be completely safe in our farming.
No PVP allowed in C6s, that's where we farm.
Much have zero effort access to NS at all times, preferably just spawn the WHs right next to the ratting Nyxs kthnx...

I'm not really sure why it needs to keep being said but wspace is NOT nullsec. Maybe if you want full time access to nullsec, you should think about how to do that, rather than just b!tch and moan about it on the forums, when you KNOW CCP will not do anything to appease you.
Trust me, they really wont! no matter how hard you cry about it.

This is definitely going to close the gaps on noobs spreadsheet that doesn't have a filter for WH space and k-space kills. People saying that their content and fun is now gone should realise that WH space should have been a better source of your content/fun.

I disagree. It's not removing anything, it's merely forcing a slight shift in focus.

People roam null because it's easier to find a cheap fight, and maybe the occasional cap gank, than it often can be in wormholes

. Quick, easy and cheap thrills is why people roam null.

And the minute that fleet left w-space to roam null it just removed even more content from w-space.

I don't normally reply to NPC alts, check my sig even.

I agree some people might leave because they can't have their insta fun and are too lazy to scan/roll/seige/loggoff/invade/camp for it but i am not unhappy about that honestly.

It's not removing PVP at all.

If you really still want to go play in null you still can.

It just means you might have to go to a little more effort to scan a null exit, instead of having four of them spawn in your home system every day or something silly. Might mean you actually have to jump a hole or two to the nearest null exit. No big deal really, right?

But it's true, I'm all for forcing people to look inward to w-space for content if they live there. If they don't like that, or are having serious trouble finding wormhole content, then it's kinda obvious they're living in the wrong kind of space to begin with.

There's nothing wrong with cheap and easy, but when it becomes the mainstay for a wormhole corp's content, again they're living in the wrong space.

But if you're a wormholer then you certainly sound like the most disaffected one I've met in a while.

I recommend lowsec for you. All the non-consensual, cheap fights you like and logistics is a breeze.

I can see that after the previous increase in null wormholes C5 space had become too connected - but the answer would have been to reverse that.

Instead of making stupid points or heavilly edit and qoute people to try and counter everyone's points of view

why don't you actually say why you think you are entitled or need to have the level of nullsecs like you once did.

The gain is we get less people like you coming here trying to change w-space to suit their own k-space meta.

I didn't say it was. Besides, no potential pvp is being removed anyway. Read again.

The reason why I suggested lowsec is because all the advantages you personally listed for having a ton of null WH exits makes it sound like lowsec would meet all your requirements perfectly.

That was actually a serious answer, I wasn't trolling. Less nullseccers having a say in how w-space works the better.

Though I already did answer your question. You just have to read back through my posts.

Not really, just a few vague points and kinda abstract comments.

I'm saying maybe you should be living in lowsec. I know you want to live in null (I want a new Ferrari too), but it doesn't sound like it's really your cup of tea unless you can have a ton of easy-access wormholes to highsec.

That's really your core issue, but you're kinda trying to white-knight for wormholer's PVP instead because you know you'd get laughed out of this subforum otherwise as a nullseccer concerned about his easy logistics.

LOL at calling Ms. Dusette a farmer. If you actually lived in WH space, you would know she and her family are the most dedicated pure WH PvP oriented ppl, I have ever met there. But I forgive you, you cant see that from Jita station.

But in seriousness, I'm not advocating for less WH traffic/PVP - Merely reshaping it. The reasons why I've already stated.

Nah, it's just redirecting folks a little. The pvp is still there.

Wormholers can still find a null exit easy as pie if we wanted. We generally have multiple null exits in chain daily.

The problem is when you're surrounded by a smorgasbord of null it becomes easier to forget w-space all together and just go on a null roam (I see it first hand), and that I do not like. It's a nice option, but some nerfs to stop it being the first choice for pvp are good imo.

That's ironic that you say that, because we wormholers who frequent the WH subforum also have "no say" in what happens to our space nine times outta ten.

As I said a few times, wormholers can find a null hole quite easy most times. If we really want to do a null roam it's not going to be a problem, even with the "nerf". Though the ease of access shifts a little, which will maybe make some groups persist in hunting the chain for a bit longer, rather than take the first exit to null for a sure fight.

For most wormholers null is little more than a part-time thing, a place you go for something a little different or for times when your chain is seriously empty of content.

For you, however, these wormhole connections are absolutely critical for ease of logistics. This change might mean you have to scan more, or travel a few jumps and risk a fight with other nullsec groups.

True, some people may be different and live in w-space just to fly in null.

Losing those people won't really effect w-space as they obviously never roam and fight in it anyway, so ...

But is it really going to make a massive difference?

I mean you'll probably still have plenty of holes spawn within a few jumps of wherever you are.

I'm sure having multiple spawn in your home system is a nice luxury though, sure, and I can see how people wouldn't want to lose that.

If you want nullsec connections so much go live in thera, it has been made for that purpose.
I've yet to notice a decline in nullsec connections in c6's.

How can anyone say it is a good change?
Everyone like the more connections c4's have gotten, now c5's get less.
Less connections, less content, for everybody!

Tell us more about this arranged wormhole pvp you have no experience with.

no null sec isnt safer at all, what with the poliferation in blops and what not.

Id rather say c5 is even safer than null to rat in tbh.

People might splurge about how people are super safe in null or what ever, But that's frankly bull Sh1t. any one can literally camp what ever system they want in k-space when ever they want, with nearly what ever ship type or fleet comp they desire.

Not that any of the idiots slinging mud at each other will take any notice of my post, but K-space dwellers posting on this thread, please take note of the following:

1. If you live in Null Sec, the only valid comment you have on this change is the impact to your game in Null Sec Any comment you have on the impact to WHers is personal opinion, so keep it to yourself, because we don't care.

2. If you live in Low Sec, tell us how this change impacts Low Sec. i.e. Shut up, we don't care.

3. If you live in Hi Sec, tell us how this change impacts Hi Sec. i.e. Shut up, we don't care.